Seattle mayor encourages businesses to ban guns

SEATTLE — Seattle Mayor Mike McGinn and the anti-gun violence organization Washington CeaseFire announced a plan Monday to encourage businesses to become gun-free zones.  Leaders say it’s an important step to help curb violence.

guns“This is one of the things we can do,” said McGinn, clearly frustrated that state legislators failed to pass universal background checks or any other gun-control legislation in Olympia this past session.  “These businesses are saying, we don’t want guns in our establishments.”

McGinn argued it’s an important step, given that state law prevents Seattle from banning guns on city-owned property, such as parks and community centers.

“If people leave their guns at home, don’t bring them into these business establishments, we hope we can make the city safer,” said McGinn.

Leaders of Washington CeaseFire, which developed the idea, admit that this won’t stop determined killers, such as last year’s Café Racer shooter.  But they argue it might stop disputes from escalating into deadly events, at least in the new places where guns now won’t be allowed.

“When you take the gun out of the equation, whether it’s the home or any place else and arguments might end up as fisticuffs,” said CeaseFire board chairman Ralph Fascitelli. “But they’re not going to end up in violence.”

Gun-rights groups took aim at the new proposal Monday.

“Gun-free zones are a piece of the problem,” said Alan Gottlieb, of the Bellevue-based Second Amendment Foundation.  He noted that the elementary school in Newtown, Conn.,  was a gun-free zone, as was the movie theater in Aurora, Colo.

“Where do you have most of these mass crimes?” Gottlieb asked. “In gun free zones, because they are victim disarmament zones, and criminals can go there knowing they’re not going to be shot back at.”

Proponents of the gun-free businesses plan rejects the notion that armed, law-abiding citizens can effectively stop violent incidents.

“People don’t realize how difficult it is to get a gun if somebody’s going to jump on you, how difficult it is to shoot it accurately,” said Fascitelli.  “They don’t understand how nervous you get, you know, when somebody takes you by surprise.”

Opponents vow to fight the mayor and others, including working to stop a restrictive gun-control initiative that is expected to make the ballot next year.

“It is a culture war,” said Gottlieb.  “They have attacked our culture and we’re fighting back.”

Thirty businesses have already signed on to the gun-free zone program, including Café Racer, Molly Moon’s Ice Cream, Elliott Bay Books, and Sweatshop Yoga.

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18 comments

  • guest

    this just shows how STUPID the mayor and some citizens are. do you really think someone, intending on shooting up a business cares if they are supposed to have a gun in there or not?

  • Bruce

    I'm amazed that otherwise seemingly intelligent people think this is a good idea. Disarming the law abiding citizen, in hopes that it will somehow make things better? How many criminals have you heard of that follow the law? Business owners: when you get robbed/ assaulted, who do you call? Answer: someone with a gun. Frustrating…

  • Matt

    The mayor is violating the Washington state constitution article 1 section 24. ” the right if the individual to protect himself or the state shall not be impaired”. The mayor by being invved in this is imparting the rights of all free men to carry a weapon on their person so as to provide protection.
    Looks like Bobby Fergusson needs to step up the game and sue the mayor!

  • Skip

    Gun owners seem to be a sloppy group. Every week there are careless accidents with hand guns that are left laying around. Little kids are shooting themselves and their playmates or even adults. Guns make a bad situation worse, so give up your hollywood fantasy of being a hero.
    Recently, some bored Oklahoma teenagers shot and killed a stranger for FUN. The victim is dead and their lives are ruined because guns are FUN.

    • BlackDogSociety

      Those accidents are tragic and should be address through better education on gun safety, not a ban. Do you know what happens more often with gun owners? The gun protects their and their loved ones lives and property. About those idiots who murdered that Australian tourist because they were bored, the didn't get that idea from just anywhere. I'd blame TV, movies, and video games for it, not the right to bear arms. Controlling guns will not reduce the violence in our society, it will actually make it worse….

    • Wildfire

      Not sloppy at all.
      Pools, toilets and tubs kill over twenty times more children every year than guns do; want to ban toilets too?
      What the Liberal-Progressive sheep, like the clueless mayor, don't understand is that those willing to commit rape, robbery and murder, will simply ignore the "NO GUNS ALLOWED" signs as well.

      The police have no duty to protect individuals:
      “Law enforcement agencies and personnel have no duty to protect individuals from the criminal acts of others.” -Lynch vs North Carolina Department of Justice 1989

      "There is no constitutional right to be protected by the state (or Federal) against being murdered by criminals or madmen. It is monstrous if the state fails to protect its residents against such predators but it does not violate the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, or, we suppose, any other provision of the Constitution. The Constitution is a charter of negative liberties: it tells the state (gov't) to let people alone; it does not require the federal government or the state to provide services, even so elementary a service as maintaining law and order"
      (Bowers v. DeVito, U.S. Court of Appeals, Seventh Circuit, 686F.2d 616 [1982]).

      This means that if you want protection from violent crime, for you and your loved ones; it’s up to *YOU* and *YOU ALONE* to provide it.

      But ask yourself this question, in your heart of hearts: Why should a cop risk his life to save something so insignificant (your life or the lives of your loved ones), that even the owner is unwilling to protect it?

  • David Armitage

    I love this!!! McGinn is a dumbass, he belongs to Mayors against guns and is trying to push his Male Bovine Fecal Matter onto the city of Seattle. I guess when Gangs and Thugs move into these so-called Gun free zones, all we'll here on the news how some business was held up at gun point, or someone walked into one of these GUN Free zones and kills the owner and patrons because there was NOBODY around with a Concealed Weapon to help out, AND we ALL KNOW that there is always a cop just 5 minutes away!!! LOLOLOL I for one WILL NOT be entering, dining, or anything in these gun free zones. It's TOO DANGEROUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!