BOSTON (CNN) — In many respects it was like a meeting of old friends: James “Whitey” Bulger listening carefully — laughing heartily at one point — to colorful recollections of former Boston bookie Richard O’Brien, who ran a successful bookmaking operation that he inherited from his father.
But this was no remember-when reunion between two elderly men.
The 84-year-old O’Brien, who lives in Florida and uses a wheel chair, testified Friday as a prosecution witness at the federal trial of Bulger, who is charged in the deaths of 19 people during the nearly two decades that prosecutors say he was the head of the Irish mob in Boston.
O’Brien described a meeting between Bulger and a man who owed him money. When the man balked at paying, Bulger replied, “We have a business besides bookmaking.” “What’s that?” the man asked. “Killing (expletive) like you.”
The 83-year-old Bulger, who has shown little emotion in the first days of trial, threw his head back and let out a laugh.
Bulger never personally took the money, which was always paid in cash. It was always handed to Bulger’s partner, Flemmi. “Maybe he never wanted it entered into evidence,” O’Brien offered.
O’Brien said he moved to Florida in the early ’90s, turning over the day-to-day operations of his bookmaking business to one of his six daughters. Several years later, he said, he was summoned to a meeting with Flemmi amid rumblings that Bulger associates — including a “father-and-daughter team” — were starting to cooperate with the government.
He said before he left for the meeting he told his daughter, “If I’m not back in 12 hours go to the FBI in Miami. Don’t go home (to Boston). Don’t go to the FBI there.”
O’Brien is expected to continue testifying Monday.
Jurors earlier heard testimony from retired Massachusetts State Police Col. Thomas Foley, who on Thursday described the FBI’s informant program as “poorly run.”
“The FBI put a higher priority protecting their informants” than they did protecting “public safety,” Foley said.
Bulger’s lawyers are trying to show Bulger was allowed to act with impunity, sanctioned by corrupt FBI agents and federal prosecutors.
On cross-examination Bulger attorney Hank Brennan questioned Foley about the integrity of Bulger’s FBI informant file, which is likely to be introduced at trial, asking the retired investigator why he would accept the informant file as accurate when it was compiled by the same FBI agents Foley believed were lying to him.
Foley said he had other sources but acknowledged he had never checked the validity of the entire file.
Bulger’s lawyers also are trying to establish that Bulger was never a paid informant for the FBI and that instead Bulger was the one paying rogue agents for information.
The trial is expected to take up to three months and has the potential to reveal sensational details about the mob and FBI corruption, especially if Bulger chooses to testify.
Bulger was in hiding for 16 years before he was captured in Santa Monica, California, two years ago, living under a false name with his girlfriend in an apartment in the oceanside city.
At his July 2011 arraignment, he pleaded not guilty to the 19 murder charges and 13 other counts.