Ceasefire march sparks gun debate

SEATTLE — On Sunday, hundreds of men, women and children came together at the Stand Up Washington March to rally supportGun a ban against assault rifles in Seattle.

Many spectators held signs to voice their opinions, but Erica Sciera and Sara Reyerson had more to say than signs could carry.

“I don’t want my kid to be on the news,” Sciera said. “I don’t want my kid to get shot at school. It’s absurd. It’s absurd that assault weapons are rampant in this country.”

The rally was one of many public outcries to keep assault rifles off the streets since the Newtown, Connecticut shooting almost a month ago. One US Senator is already asking major retailers to pull guns off shelves.

“I’m urging our country’s major gun retailers like Walmart and Sports Authority to suspend sales of modern assault style weapons until Congress is able to fully consider and vote on legislation to curb gun violence,” Senator Charles Schumer (D- New York) said.

But a local gun advocate said these public demonstrations are off target. Alan Gottlieb is the founder of the 2nd Amendment Foundation. He saids talk of banning assault weapons is only spurring more sales and banning this one type of weapon won’t end gun violence.

“These are rifles,” Gottlieb said. “They’re not really used in most gun crimes to begin with. Which is really most honestly a handgun is what criminals use. So the bottom line is when they’re only used in 4% of gun crimes to begin with even banning them doesn’t do anything.”

Gottlieb respects Sunday’s march as a first Amendment right, but he said his second amendment right is just as important.

52 comments

  • jason

    Logic, reason, and the constitution do not support these protesters beliefs. Innocent, lawful possession of semi-automatics is a balancing force to those who would like to force a one world government or oppression on "the people".

  • Grover

    Before talking about The banning of all weapons Not just assault weapons Or handguns Or hunting rifle One must first decide What the law should be In all states Not Varying From state to state Like it does It should be one long not many They should all be clear-cut And black-and-white When this is done Then you can talk about banning them But always remember that the criminals will always have guns And by disarming the civilian populace You will only be causing more Harm And death than anything If you make all the laws all the same in every state through the federal government And not let them differ from state to state Then you can talk about gun control Then you can decide To close all loopholes used by Gun show Sellers I live in Oregon but Washington state laws are different than mine But even I think the laws need to be revamped

    • Grover

      All the laws are to protect criminals not lawful gun Owners Or Honest people We need to change those laws of honest people and Lawful gunowners I think it's messed up to tell me that The gun that I want I can't have I would like M4 and if This Band goes through I cannot have it I don't have a lot of money And I would like 308 version so that it's a good hunting gun as well as a good fun gun Me and my daughter loves guns a lot it's how we Bond She wants to go Shooting and she wants to go hunting so I don't have a lot of money I kind of need That kind of gun Cain killed Abel a rock we don't outlaw the rock

    • David

      If you mess with the constitution in any way nothing but bad can happen. The United States Constitution was created and put into place for a reason. PLEASE READ IT also do your research 400,000 people die a year from alcohol related deaths, thats 1095 people a day, guess how many of thoes deaths are children. Citizens of america, cant you see this is media propaganda using to control the ignorant.. They want to disarm us but what is the real fricken reason???? `Here here are a few more factoids about children deaths for you. around 60 little children are killed by guns every year. around 160 die in bicycle accidents. approximately 600 to 800 die as pedestrians. approximately 1000 die from drowning and around 1800 die in automobile accidents.
      so maybe we should ban little children from riding in cars, swimming, bathing, walking and riding bicycles. stupid idea isn't it, but it would save the lives of a lot more little children than banning guns would.
      oh, and just so you don't have to ask this is where i got my facts from.: http://www.keepyourchildsafe.org/child-safety-boo….
      Read more at http://q13fox.com/2013/01/13/ceasefire-march-spar

      • anonymous

        Nobody wants to change the 2nd Amendment. We just want to prevent additional deaths. MADD has decreased the number of car deaths over the years; teaching swimming and water safety has reduced the number killed from drowning. Education on bicycling and the wear of helmets has created better results from bicycles. This country is constantly making more laws and better education to decrease individual deaths. Alcohol and guns are another in a long line of improvements. The “feds” don’t want your hunting single shot or handgun.

    • David

      If you mess with the constitution in any way nothing but bad can happen. The United States Constitution was created and put into place for a reason. PLEASE READ IT also do your research 400,000 people die a year from alcohol related deaths, thats 1095 people a day, guess how many of thoes deaths are children. Citizens of america, cant you see this is media propaganda using to control the ignorant.. They want to disarm us but what is the real fricken reason???? `Here here are a few more factoids about children deaths for you. around 60 little children are killed by guns every year. around 160 die in bicycle accidents. approximately 600 to 800 die as pedestrians. approximately 1000 die from drowning and around 1800 die in automobile accidents.
      so maybe we should ban little children from riding in cars, swimming, bathing, walking and riding bicycles. stupid idea isn't it, but it would save the lives of a lot more little children than banning guns would.
      oh, and just so you don't have to ask this is where i got my facts from.: http://www.keepyourchildsafe.org/child-safety-boo….
      Read more at http://q13fox.com/2013/01/13/ceasefire-march-spar

  • Grover

    The second amendment Says I have the right to bear arms It doesn't say what kind I should be able to have fully automatic weapons And semiautomatic weapons If that's what makes me feel good I have the rights pursue happiness And I like got it makes me happy

    • Sean

      Thank you! Im sure that when the founding fathers added the 2nd amendment they were smart enough to know that technology would advance, and weapons along with it. Thus the fact that the amendment does NOT say "the right to bear and keep muskets." Im also sure that people will start to say things like "Then that means i should be able to have 13 .50 cal machine gun, 100,000 rounds for said weapons, a handfull of ballistic cruise missles, and a nuke or two." No, thats not what i said, as an Army Reservist and pround American citizen, I believe in the 2nd amendment, but also on a limit to what civilians and even personel like myself are allowed to own. The full auto weapons the military uses are owned by said military, we dont get to take them home, such an act lands seriously big jail time.

      • Grover

        There is certainly no need to actually own these Fully automatic weapons But our Forefathers Didn't have fully automatic weapons Or semiautomatic weapons When The Constitution was written But that doesn't mean You can mess with our constitutional rights Certain weapons are priced by hunters And Competitive shooters Because they are accurate Over long distances And because of their semiautomatic Capabilities The thing that makes These Guns Assault weapons Are sometimes needed My child enjoy shooting She is nine years old And does it quite well She needs a collapsible stock And a pistol grip And the rail system To do this With safety They want to make Assault weapons illegal Because of Violent crime The truth about Violent crime Is that more people are killed with handguns Then assault weapons More people are killed with hammers And buy alcohol And knives Then assault weapons Gang Members Is handguns for their Conceal ability Not assault weapons Assault weapons are used By people crying for help These people I've been crying for help Long before they ever pick up the gun Some gang members use the AK-47 And gang shootings We catch them And put them back on the street Instead of changing the laws to get rid of said gun We should change the laws to get rid of said gang member We allow these Domestic terrorists To run our streets If you want to curve gun violence Stop allowing These criminal elements to run around free If you want tougher gun laws Make it illegal for private citizens To sell Their guns to anybody but a licensed gun dealer Make it To wear if you steal someone's gun you go to prison for Attempted murder

      • David

        If you mess with the constitution in any way nothing but bad can happen. The United States Constitution was created and put into place for a reason. PLEASE READ IT also do your research 400,000 people die a year from alcohol related deaths, thats 1095 people a day, guess how many of thoes deaths are children. Citizens of america, cant you see this is media propaganda using to control the ignorant.. They want to disarm us but what is the real fricken reason???? `Here here are a few more factoids about children deaths for you. around 60 little children are killed by guns every year. around 160 die in bicycle accidents. approximately 600 to 800 die as pedestrians. approximately 1000 die from drowning and around 1800 die in automobile accidents.
        so maybe we should ban little children from riding in cars, swimming, bathing, walking and riding bicycles. stupid idea isn't it, but it would save the lives of a lot more little children than banning guns would.
        oh, and just so you don't have to ask this is where i got my facts from.: http://www.keepyourchildsafe.org/child-safety-boo….
        Read more at http://q13fox.com/2013/01/13/ceasefire-march-spar

  • Amber

    Taking away people's second amendment rights is what all democrats want. My family owns several guns and we take pride in having our rights and if you take the guns away people will still get them and crime will be higher. I have shot a ar 15 and i love it. Whats next, knives, bows. Wake up people. They are not helping us, they are hurting us.

    • Tom Wales

      Sorry to burst your bubble, but the GOP policies of Bush/Cheney sent the this country into the worst economic crisis in 80 years. Voting for Republicans is like cutting your own throat. All you care about is a childish fascination with John Wayne hero worship. My god, you people are out of touch.

      • David

        If you mess with the constitution in any way nothing but bad can happen. The United States Constitution was created and put into place for a reason. PLEASE READ IT also do your research 400,000 people die a year from alcohol related deaths, thats 1095 people a day, guess how many of thoes deaths are children. Citizens of america, cant you see this is media propaganda using to control the ignorant.. They want to disarm us but what is the real fricken reason???? `Here here are a few more factoids about children deaths for you. around 60 little children are killed by guns every year. around 160 die in bicycle accidents. approximately 600 to 800 die as pedestrians. approximately 1000 die from drowning and around 1800 die in automobile accidents.
        so maybe we should ban little children from riding in cars, swimming, bathing, walking and riding bicycles. stupid idea isn't it, but it would save the lives of a lot more little children than banning guns would.
        oh, and just so you don't have to ask this is where i got my facts from.: http://www.keepyourchildsafe.org/child-safety-boo….
        Read more at http://q13fox.com/2013/01/13/ceasefire-march-spar

  • Grover

    Dick Cheney Why should I get professional help because guns Make me happy It is the way I bond with my child to go Out Shooting she enjoys it And is very good at it You say I need professional help I say you need professional help

      • Grover

        Fuck you You piece of shit I'm sorry that you've probably never owned a gun Or don't enjoy them I like my Second Amendment rights And what you forget Is if they can mess with the Second Amendment right They can fuck with all of them It's only a matter before we don't even have the free-speech to do what were doing If we left a mess with one And let them get away with it They will eventually mess with them all

    • David

      If you mess with the constitution in any way nothing but bad can happen. The United States Constitution was created and put into place for a reason. PLEASE READ IT also do your research 400,000 people die a year from alcohol related deaths, thats 1095 people a day, guess how many of thoes deaths are children. Citizens of america, cant you see this is media propaganda using to control the ignorant.. They want to disarm us but what is the real fricken reason???? `Here here are a few more factoids about children deaths for you. around 60 little children are killed by guns every year. around 160 die in bicycle accidents. approximately 600 to 800 die as pedestrians. approximately 1000 die from drowning and around 1800 die in automobile accidents.
      so maybe we should ban little children from riding in cars, swimming, bathing, walking and riding bicycles. stupid idea isn't it, but it would save the lives of a lot more little children than banning guns would.
      oh, and just so you don't have to ask this is where i got my facts from.: http://www.keepyourchildsafe.org/child-safety-boo….
      Read more at http://q13fox.com/2013/01/13/ceasefire-march-spar

  • Banana Clip

    The NRA has done a good job of creating mass paranoia and lobbying on the behalf of the gun manufactures, but the country is over saturated with weapons and violence.

    • David

      If you mess with the constitution in any way nothing but bad can happen. The United States Constitution was created and put into place for a reason. PLEASE READ IT also do your research 400,000 people die a year from alcohol related deaths, thats 1095 people a day, guess how many of thoes deaths are children. Citizens of america, cant you see this is media propaganda using to control the ignorant.. They want to disarm us but what is the real fricken reason???? `Here here are a few more factoids about children deaths for you. around 60 little children are killed by guns every year. around 160 die in bicycle accidents. approximately 600 to 800 die as pedestrians. approximately 1000 die from drowning and around 1800 die in automobile accidents.
      so maybe we should ban little children from riding in cars, swimming, bathing, walking and riding bicycles. stupid idea isn't it, but it would save the lives of a lot more little children than banning guns would.
      oh, and just so you don't have to ask this is where i got my facts from.: http://www.keepyourchildsafe.org/child-safety-boo….
      Read more at http://q13fox.com/2013/01/13/ceasefire-march-spar

  • David

    If you mess with the constitution in any way nothing but bad can happen. The United States Constitution was created and put into place for a reason. PLEASE READ IT also do your research 400,000 people die a year from alcohol related deaths, thats 1095 people a day, guess how many of thoes deaths are children. Citizens of america, cant you see this is media propaganda using to control the ignorant.. They want to disarm us but what is the real fricken reason???? `Here here are a few more factoids about children deaths for you. around 60 little children are killed by guns every year. around 160 die in bicycle accidents. approximately 600 to 800 die as pedestrians. approximately 1000 die from drowning and around 1800 die in automobile accidents.
    so maybe we should ban little children from riding in cars, swimming, bathing, walking and riding bicycles. stupid idea isn't it, but it would save the lives of a lot more little children than banning guns would.
    oh, and just so you don't have to ask this is where i got my facts from.: http://www.keepyourchildsafe.org/child-safety-boo….

  • Banana Clip

    Interesting web site and the first story says:
    The idea of purchasing a gun to protect your family is a lot like placing a king cobra in the infants crib to protect your baby. It’s a nice thought, and it certainly is effective at making people feel they are safer, but the reality is that the minute you purchase a family gun the risks to your entire household go up dramatically – and not just in the ways most people think of. The minute you purchase a gun for "protection," the risks to you and your family skyrocket through the roof. Having a gun in the house increases the danger to your children by a factor of several hundred times what they were before you owned one.

  • Reverend Dondi Jon Cook

    For all you anti-gun idiots, the only thing that protects your very right to Freedom of Speach that you so freely exercise is The Second Amendment. Without it there is no way for the Rest of US to protect ALL of Your other RIGHTS.

  • casey

    Well, the Obama gun stimulus(aka 2013 assault weapons ban proposal) has set records for gun and magazine sales. Job well done. As for the bill itself, I think the government needs to take a step back and look at what the second amendment was put in place for by our forefathers.

    "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"

    "Shall not be infringed"

    I'd like to see obama's definition of "infringed"

    Infringed definition.
    Act as to limit or undermine something. Encroach on.

    Or

    Actively break the terms of a law, agreement, etc.

    Is the U.S. constitution a law or agreement? Is it being encroached upon?

    How can our government feel that it is ok to change, alter, or deny one of the most important rights that this country was formed around.

    Look up senator Dianne Feinstein and see exactly how she plans to limit our ability to posses weapons to defend ourselves and our constitutional rights.

    • Banana Clip

      You always miss the part about "A well regulated militia" following laws and regulations. But the National Rambo Association wants to be the next Nazi party.

      • Grover

        National Rambo Association Wants to be the next nazi party If it's the national Rambo Association I say Heil Hitler If you're talking about the NRA Still the Nazis weren't all bad Without Nazis you wouldn't have radar You wouldn't have the jet age You wouldn't have assault weapons So before you go bad mouthing Nazis or the nra Without these things you wouldn't have life as you know it

  • Grover

    I think it's funny that all Anti-gun people Are fighting with the gun Nuts And the gun nuts are probably the only ones that I've actually fired a weapon I'm sorry but anti-gun nuts shouldn't get to Decide What's the best for me or any other person Big talk about Gun violence I've had 3 Shootings less than 20 feet from my house One man almost lost his life just because he was in his house If I have a Gun that gives me a 50-50 chance that I might make it out alive I don't know but you anti-gun nuts but I want my 50-50 chance

  • guest

    if people keep shooting at people, one day guns will be outlawed and allowed for hunting rifle and military only ! i bet one day.

  • Thy Word is Truth

    Why should the second amendment be limited in any manner what soever? If it is truly a deterrent to an intrusive government, we should be allowed to have full access to owning NBC (Nuclear, Biiological and Chemical).

    An armed society is a polite society.

  • john

    I would bet money that the people out there protesting violence would not support a plan to permanently remove violent repeat offenders from society. Over 80% of all violent gun crime is committed by criminals previously convicted of gun crime. By executing everyone convicted of violent gun crime, you would reduce the incidence of gun crime dramatically.

  • Guest

    Just Pitiful!
    Start talking about improving the weapons safety with biometric grips that only the lawful owner can fire, rather than hysterically trying to remove these valuable tools needed by farmers & hunters to cope with the danger from large packs of feral animals such as razorbacks/ pig hybrids that were 4 million in 2008. Now they have been seen as far north as New York with the growth of the swine population& do 80million in damage each year. In southern states hunters are ORDERED by the Department of Conservation to shoot them on sight.
    A semiautomatic ban would also keep homeowners from protecting themselves adequately from home invaders like the two Connecticut drug addicts who raped & murdered 3 members of the Petit family. The home invasion involving a Georgia mother & her 9 year old twins clearly demonstrated a revolver does NOT have a reasonable ability to incapacitate even ONE crowbar wielding attacker. That mom was forced to bluff a convicted criminal with an empty weapon when he remained a threat capable of running after being struck 5 times in the neck & torso. Not a safe position to be IMHO.
    Weapons bans have been proven to be totally ineffective according to the FBI & intelligent university researchers who chart the impact of laws; but the media frenzy continues for these legislators, & their impractical devotee's who are incapable of comprehending these undeniable facts.
    Try saying something useful instead.

    • Grover

      They won't because criminals rights Trumps the Honest citizens Rights All laws Or set up to Protect the criminal Not be honest citizen Where I live There is a law that Says I can shoot a man who breaks into my house But there is also a law That says I can't The law commonly followed Is the one that says I can't It is a Clear-cut example Of laws set up to protect the criminal Never mind the fact That Even if you don't go to jail their family can Sue you for wrongful death Or The guy you shot can Sue For pain and suffering And When If you try to protect yourself Or someone else You will Either Have to go to jail Or spend out a Lot of money All because a criminal decided to be a criminal And You decided to be an honest Citizen

  • Grover

    I am Very scared It's only a matter time before we no longer have any rights i thought that people on doomsday peppers Where all nuts But current events Show me that they are not I don't even want to be in this country anymore I can't protect myself or my family And soon nobody will be able to do the same Where I live crime is already pretty bad For once you get rid of guns Crime will become worse And the cops don't do their job They are not going to protect us from criminals And soon we won't be able to protect our selfs This country is going to hell And you can see it happening I like my constitutional rights But soon I won't have them I want to leave this country I don't want to feel like my rights are not secure or that I don't matter

  • Grover

    So the constitutional right to abortion Is now being taken as well Nice one I hope that we don't have to See the End Of all our civil And constitutional rights. And it's all because of religious Fanatics I thought Terrorism Wasn't Legal But in fact It is

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